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question about 45 acp production date
« on: July 17, 2016, 10:06:06 AM »
am i correct in thinking this was produced in 1947? the carton holds 20 rounds, and is original, unopened. it looks to me like the size that was placed in the old C1 vest.
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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2016, 10:19:17 AM »
I dont know about the date , but the cartridges used in the C1 vest were of the "shot" type  not "ball" ammo . The idea being that you would have more chances of hitting somthing with shotgun style cartridge than just a single round .

Sorry if i went a little off topic  :-\

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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2016, 11:07:37 AM »
thanks, LB. i didn't know that. was the box a similar size?
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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2016, 11:21:26 AM »
thanks, LB. i didn't know that. was the box a similar size?

ill find out for you , im sure they were as they were a 20 shot box
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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2016, 12:23:16 PM »
Here is a picture of the C1 vest ammo carton

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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2016, 03:29:27 PM »
I have a similar 20-round carton of caliber-.45 cartridges manufactured by Remington-UMC - cartridge cases are dated 1917.  I believe that by WWII caliber-.45 ammunition was packed in 50-round cartons.  The "1047" on your carton is the lot number and has nothing to do with the year of manufacture.  Your cartridges were most likely manufactured during the Great War, so they're close to 100 years old.

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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2016, 07:12:13 PM »
Is the box open?  If so the date should be on the head stamp.

My guess is WW2 issue

http://www.mcpheetersantiquemilitaria.com/06_ammunition/06_item_074.htm

« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 07:21:36 PM by M1Ashooter »

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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2016, 11:04:30 PM »
What's their expiration date?! Don't be tempted to shoot 'em!  :o  ;)
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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2016, 09:13:56 AM »
According to the website provided the box of cartridges was probably manufactured in 1941-42. 

I assume that the carton will remain unopened as a collector's item, and of course the cartridges will not be fired.  However small arms ammunition is incredibly stable if properly stored and the cartridges in this carton may be completely safe to fire, and there is no expiration date. 

I acquired two crates of cartridge caliber-.30 M1903 blanks dated 1905 that had been taken back into the arsenal and resized to fit the change to the cartridge caliber-.30 M1906 chambers.  One of the crates was open and there were loose cartridges, several of which the waxed paper bullet was broken off.  I figured the cartridges with the missing paper bullets weren't worth anything to a collector so I fired them as an experiment to see if they were functional.  Every one of the cartridges fired without a problem, so I concluded that the remainder of the cartridges were fully functional, not that I had any intention to fire them.  I know these were just blanks and I would not have tried the same experiment with ball ammunition, but I did conclude that small arms ammunition remains functional under suitable storage conditions.

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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2016, 04:58:04 PM »
i found these at a garage sale last weekend. it was a guess on my part that they would be WW2 dated, but i didn't open the carton, as i figured a collector would probably want them. the guy had about a dozen boxes. i bought one for a guy i know, taking a chance they would be of interest. i don't collect WW2 stuff, but he wanted it, so it all turned out fine. if i had an FFL i would have bought them all, but shipping without one is not allowed, and i don't know enough guys locally to sell them to, so i passed.
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Re: question about 45 acp production date
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2016, 06:06:39 PM »
Take it from me.  I know they will go bang.  I'm shooting M2 ball made in 64 by the Greeks.  Don't break the box open unless the Apaches have you surround and you need the ammo.  In the mid 70's my friends and I bought some amber French Musket flints which promptly were fitted in our Brown Bess Muskets and used up.  We didn't think about how old they were only, that they made a great spark.  Wish I had them today.

 

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