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Glow or No Glow??
« on: September 18, 2016, 10:42:14 AM »
Hello.

I've many things that glow under black light especially German items.

As mentioned in a previous thread, I'm not sure about this medal bar.

Pictures below of the patch and medal bar under black light

I know it's not fool proof, but do you think these glow or not???

Thanks and Regards

Lee

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Re: Glow or No Glow??
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2016, 01:39:47 PM »
To be honest Lee, I've never heard of medal ribbons being faked! If there is a glow, all it suggests is that it's possibly a later issue ribbon made of synthetic fibres.  The whole glow/doesn't glow thing is very contentious and is not foolproof as has been demonstrated many times...ie. some known WW2 production patches were manufactured with fibres that actually glow under a black light. No need to beat yourself up over it!  ;)
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Re: Glow or No Glow??
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2016, 01:48:08 PM »
I remember my German Panzer cap piping lighting up like a Christmas tree under UV and got that sinking feeling. After a bit of research that proved to be a good one, so I know it's not 100%.

Just want stuff to be right!!

Thanks for the feedback Ian.
Lee

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Re: Glow or No Glow??
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2016, 08:08:38 PM »
Lee, that is definitely NO glow.
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Re: Glow or No Glow??
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 10:43:08 AM »
Some detergents can cause fabric to glow under a blacklight, so certainly not foolproof.

It should be really used in conjunction with studying the construction of the item, material used, etc.

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Re: Glow or No Glow??
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 02:40:35 PM »
I have no issue with black light testing, as long as you know what you are looking at.

Follow several rules:

1946 and prior, for the US SSI and patches,rayon was used this will not glow same with Cotton,silk of the period.

WWII era patches were produced by the same makers, same machines and probably same people up until the mid 50's wen polyester thread was starting to blend in. If a unit was there in 1945 and 10 years later in Germany the chances are it could glow as well as WWII era SSI still being in the supply channel.

The biggest area of concern are theatre made patches and again you have to know what you are looking at , where the unit served, what is the construction how the thread is composed and of course for good measure black light.

As to laundering and detergents used, I have heard this many a times on all forums. My only point is, almost every uniform that has a patch attached to it would of been washed laundered  at least a few times in its service history-why then do we not see the majority of used patches not lighting up?

I do have one patch 48th Ghost unit , which was issued to NG 48th ID c 1948, that glows so maybe that one is due to laundering however I would want a ton of proof before acknowledging detergents were the issue.

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