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Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« on: March 21, 2016, 07:49:40 AM »
Can anyone please help ID this?

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Re: Unk UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 08:02:15 AM »
 Two types of crown appear on British insignia...the King's Crown and the Queen's Crown. Currently, it's the Queen's Crown as she has been on the throne since 1953. Prior to that, when her father King George VI was on the throne the King's Crown was displayed. Both have different profiles (that's how you can date British insignia WW2/post-war)  The profile of the crown on your patch does not really match either pattern, though I suppose it could be an approximation? Check out the patches below. On the left King's, on the right Queen's...and compare with your crown.
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Re: Unk UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 08:14:54 AM »
Here are bullion renditions of both King's and Queen's crowns by way of comparison. Bear in mind that the quality and accuracy of the work is down to the skill of the individual embroiderers.

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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 10:40:57 AM »
Whilst I agree it is not British from the crown, there were more than the two crowns used, you also had the Queen Victoria pattern crown as well as the kings crown (the Tudor crown) or Queens crown (St. Edwards Crown) as well as one other, the Guelphic crown which is said to be related to Prince Albert.

Some info in this link if you scroll down.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/crowns.htm
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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 11:21:50 AM »
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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2016, 02:16:17 AM »
Hmmm...Carl might be on to something. Here's the PT Instructors' cap badge. Note there's no laurel wreath as on the bullion example.

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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2016, 02:43:13 AM »
Jerry's info makes a good point. Many colonial and post-colonial / Commonwealth armies adopted British Army insignia practices, including the inclusion of the appropriate crown.
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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2016, 06:46:17 AM »
Whilst I agree it is not British from the crown, there were more than the two crowns used, you also had the Queen Victoria pattern crown as well as the kings crown (the Tudor crown) or Queens crown (St. Edwards Crown) as well as one other, the Guelphic crown which is said to be related to Prince Albert.

Some info in this link if you scroll down.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/crowns.htm

Let's also not forget the Astral Crown as used by RAF Ferry and later Transport Command.

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Re: Unk UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2016, 06:51:33 AM »
Two types of crown appear on British insignia...the King's Crown and the Queen's Crown. Currently, it's the Queen's Crown as she has been on the throne since 1953. Prior to that, when her father King George VI was on the throne the King's Crown was displayed. Both have different profiles (that's how you can date British insignia WW2/post-war)  The profile of the crown on your patch does not really match either pattern, though I suppose it could be an approximation? Check out the patches below. On the left King's, on the right Queen's...and compare with your crown.

Ian,

Please correct my if I am wrong (and I am quite often, just ask my wife) but are the two crowns in question not officially the "Tudor" Crown (King's Crown) and the "St. Edward's" Crown (Queen's Crown).  Just trying to clarify for my own edification.

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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2016, 07:22:36 AM »
You would be correct in that assumption Paul! They can be seen at The Tower of London.
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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2016, 10:58:07 AM »
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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2016, 11:48:48 AM »
Thank you all for your assistance.

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Re: Unknown UK (?) cap badge
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2016, 12:26:25 PM »
Probably Victorian Era Cavalry.


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